Correcting names and preserving identity of clones

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Correcting names and preserving identity of clones

Post by illustrator on Sun May 13, 2012 2:34 pm

Hi all,

I obtained the following plants:

Jovibarba hirta from Gulsen

Jovibarba hirta from Gulsenberg

Jovibarba hirta var. hillebrandtii

I think that these names can refer to the same plant, but that, more likely, they refer to different clones from the same locality (which is why I wanted to have all three). The correct name would be the same for all three though. If I correct these names in my administration, I lose the information that they are probably different clones. I can give them numbers 1, 2 and 3, but this would make a mess when I give them to anyone else (who would know which clone is "my number 2"?). How would you solve this?
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Re: Correcting names and preserving identity of clones

Post by I'm the 1 on Sun May 13, 2012 5:41 pm

There are many clones of some plants in cultivation, some due to the fact the locality name is given wrong, in an language other than language the country is coming from, or simply mistakenly written...

Gulsen and Gulsenberg are not the same thing, as far as I understand Gulsen is the name of serpentinite quarry (also Magnesitwerk Gulsen), Gulsenberg but the name of mountain.

Than of course there are plants from that are with no given locality.

I would suggest to give "old names" along with new one - but I myself so not change the name of locality unless I'm absolutely certain in it.
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Post by illustrator on Sun May 13, 2012 6:08 pm

Renata wrote:but I myself so not change the name of locality unless I'm absolutely certain in it.

I agree, even if it is changed correctly, it means that there is one more name for the same plant, which can cause more confusion. The same is with taxonomic changes, like is kindingeri a species, a variety of the species leucanthum or a variety of the species ruthenicum+subspecies leucanthum? All three views can be defended, but this means 3 different names for the same plant, which is definately a source of confusion.

I put my administration in a table where I use the name which I think is correct in the first column. I have another column for the locality, any collectors number I get with a plant and the name under which I obtained it. And when I find out that a plant is beyond doupt wrongly identified, it goes to a "no-name" category without mercy.

With the Goodeid fish we tend to give not only a name of a species and a locality, but also collection date and name of a collector. I imagine that some people don't want to be this exact in case of a collection without permits ...
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Post by illustrator on Thu May 17, 2012 7:25 pm

On Austrian websites the whole hill is called "Die Gulsen", so unless someone has a more detailled description of the origin of these clones, I treat them as coming from this hill = definately all from the same population. But I find it hard to say if one is from the quarry or not ...
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