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Post by I'm the 1 Wed Feb 01, 2012 10:52 am

In book "Beitrag zur Flora des Eisacktales" by author Dr. Anton Heimerl from year 1904 we can found following localities:

Sempervivum tectorum

Widespread:
- on the road from Theis to Villnöss,
- above the road between the Albein and the station of Villnöss,
- in Thynaschlucht (=Tyna gorge) near Klausen
- and on the road from Säben over Feldthum to Tschötsch

Sempervivum montanum

Widespread:
- on ascent of Steinwend (stone wall?) to Schaldererjoche - just above the tree line,

- and on Alpenvereinwege (= Alpine Club tract) on the Plose in Trametschtale.

Sempervivum Funkii?

This or a similar species was found at the upper paths, approximately midway between Schalder and Vahrn. This is a plant apparently related to S. tectorum at Theis porphyry rocks on the way to Funes.

About Eisacktal

Eisack Valley - English
Eisacktal - German
Valle Isarco - Italian

Nowadays is this a name of a district in South Tyrol, Alto Adige, Italy.


Link to book: http://www.landesmuseum.at/pdf_frei_remote/VZBG_54_0448-0471.pdf

And what about this old geographical names? Please help me sort them out!


old name
modern name - Italian
modern name - German
Alpenvereinwege


Feldthum


Klausen
Chiusa ???

Plose


Säben


Schalder


Schaldererjoche


Steinwend


Theis


Thynaschlucht


Trametschtale


Tschötsch


Vahrn


Villnöss, Villnöß
Funes
Villnöss




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And the most important question: are the plants still growing there?

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Post by jesser Mon May 14, 2012 7:35 pm

Renata wrote:
And what about this old geographical names? Please help me sort them out!

To find geographical names in regions with two languages you can use Google Maps.
Eisacktal is today located in Italy, so you can find the names if you enter them in http://maps.google.com in the search form "name of location, Italy":
Alpenvereinwege ==> not a location, meaning is "roads/paths of the Alpenverein"
The Alpenverein is an alpine society: http://www.alpenverein.de/ http://www.alpenverein.it
Feldthum ==> not found, did you mean Feldturns (Velturno)?
Klausen, Italy ==> Chiusa (Klausen)
Plose ==> Plose in‎ Brixen, South Tyrol
Säben ==> Sabioni (Säben)
Schalder ==> not found, did you mean Schalders (Scaleres), Varna, Italia?
Schaldererjoche ==> Schaldererstrasse (Via Scaleres), Vahrn, Italien
Steinwend ==> not found, most likely parking area "Steinwendt" in/near village Schalders
Theis ==> not found, did you mean Teis (Tiso), Villnoess, Italy?
Thynaschlucht ==> Tinne-Schlucht, Tinneschlucht (no longer existing, see below)
Trametschtale ==> not found
Tschötsch ==> not found, perhaps Gasthof Tschötscherhof http://www.tschoetscherhof.com/
Vahrn ==> Varna (Vahrn)

Not every small village and location is on Google Maps, as some of them are rather "a group of houses" than a "village". Perhaps you find more locations when looking on a tourist map of the region.

Each small valley in Tirol has a tourist webpage today, such like the Villnösser Tal at (the link shows the page with the village names in that valley):
http://www.villnoess.com/de/sommer/unsertal/Ortschaften-in-der-Ferienregion-Villnoesser-Tal-Eisacktal-Suedtirol-Dolomiten.asp

Concerning the "Thynaschlucht" or "Tinneschlucht", I don't think that this one is existing any longer. Please look up this picture of Klausen around the year 1900:
http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Datei:Klausen_in_suedtirol_um_1900.jpg&filetimestamp=20081001192400
I think the "Tinneschlucht" has become the urban area of the town Klausen and the only relict of the Thyna-Schlucht/Tinneschlucht is nowadays the "Tinneweg" ("Via Tinne") in Klausen. The latest document I could find the Tinneschlucht is from the year 1877, if you can read the old German "Frakturschrift", you can read an old text about the Tinneschlucht I found at:
http://ora-web.swkk.de/digimo_online/digimo.Digitalisat_anzeigen?p_id=15115&p_sort=162&h=500&p_konvolut=&p_ab=0

Renata wrote:
And the most important question: are the plants still growing there?

By chance I have read something about that in a German forum.

At least in the Villnösser Tal the Sempervivum are still there. The author recently wrote, that you can see them from your car growing on the roadside of the road between the villages "St. Peter" and "Teis".

Also near the village Teis there is a hill named "Heilig-Grab-Hügel" where Sempervivum ist growing. Look at this page where somebody took some photos of that hill and - by chance - he also took a photo of a Sempervivum flower:
http://heini.de/teis_grabhuegel.htm

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Post by I'm the 1 Tue May 15, 2012 7:24 am

Eisacktal - 108 years ago!  640321 Jesser, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!
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Post by jesser Tue May 15, 2012 11:07 am

Renata wrote:Eisacktal - 108 years ago!  640321 Jesser, thank you for sharing your knowledge with us!

Incredible what you can find out nowadays, just using Google Search and Google Maps.

BTW, just googling the last "not found" location of yesterday to find out what it is now today:

Trametschtale ==> ski slope Trametsch
The Trametsch ski slope is nowadays "the longest ski slope in South Tirol", please have a look:
http://www.plose.org/winter/skifahren-snowboarden/trametsch.html
So all locations can be found today, even if they are no longer nature locations as they were 100 years ago.

The biggest change had been to:

Steinwend ==> has become the name of a car parking area "Steinwendt" in/near village Schalders for tourists

Thynaschlucht ==> has been become a completely constructed area with buildings of the city Klausen/Chiusa on it and the street name "Tinneweg"/"Via Tinne" is the last reminder to the place Thynaschlucht/Tinneschlucht today.

Trametschtal ==> had become the 9 km long ski slope Trametsch for winter tourists

Times are changing, the Alps are changing.

[Edit] When reading in German forums I also found that Sempervivum tectorum and arachnoideum are also present on nearly naked rocks on the side of the small road/path that leads from "Klausen" up to the "Kloster Säben". There are much more plants visible on the upper third of the path.[/Edit]

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BTW: Other regions are changing too. When I last visited Ljubljana, the stamp in my passport told me to be in a country named Yugoslavia. And at that time, my German maps had two names for the cities in your area, like "Ljubljana (Laibach)". Today in Google Maps, the old names have vanished from Google maps labelling, but a search for "Laibach" still shows the correct city, even if the map label only tells "Ljubljana" and no other name.

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